tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post6778003115469687346..comments2023-10-11T03:48:57.606-04:00Comments on Head For the Red: Yay, Faith in Fate Debate!Rufus Opushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10806987441760167537noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-5176644405878683952012-07-22T23:12:30.600-04:002012-07-22T23:12:30.600-04:00Note to folks who wonder, Austin Coppock, one of m...Note to folks who wonder, Austin Coppock, one of my favorite living astrologers, always always always submits basically the same comment twice on my blog. I usually delete the one that I feel doesn't have as much meaningful information to my audience, but it's basically the same message. Usually the first one has more details, I suspect because he's pissed that he lost everything he just wrote.Rufus Opushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806987441760167537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-63671765020886266692012-07-22T23:10:18.009-04:002012-07-22T23:10:18.009-04:00It's fate, A. You're destined to post the ...It's fate, A. You're destined to post the same things twice to my blog forever. ;)Rufus Opushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806987441760167537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-76471119252546363132012-07-20T08:56:02.983-04:002012-07-20T08:56:02.983-04:00Goddamnit, Rufus. I hate your comment system. That...Goddamnit, Rufus. I hate your comment system. That said, I will retype what I was going to say. <br /><br />As a working astrologer, Fate and Choice are incredibly important categories. What I have seen, quite clearly, is that some things are Fated, some are not. Most are somewhere in between. Habits, with varying degrees of stubborn-ness. <br /><br />People have different degrees of Fated-ness and Free-ness. Knowing the difference is incredibly important. <br /><br />-AustinUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08648310219475956907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-56112806650426908072012-07-20T08:52:05.582-04:002012-07-20T08:52:05.582-04:00I'll be quick. As a working astrologer, "...I'll be quick. As a working astrologer, "Fate" and "Will" are both incredibly important concepts for me and my practice. <br /><br />That said, some things are Fated, while some things are not, at all. Much of life falls in between, tendencies that are either easy or hard to change. <br /><br />Knowing what category something falls in is incredibly important. <br /><br />-AustinUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08648310219475956907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-9680922674454230912012-07-15T14:34:51.712-04:002012-07-15T14:34:51.712-04:00@ Rose. I get what you are saying but rather than ...@ Rose. I get what you are saying but rather than see it as fate or destiny, it is more like living in line with your nature. There is a BIG difference. <br /><br />If it is true fate, than everything is progressing along some pre-written plan and you have no real free will at all.<br /><br />If the idea is that there is a pre-written plan but you have the free will to deviate, but deviation will cause problems and suffering, than that leads to all kinds of theologoical issues like who wrote such a shitty plan for life and why.<br /><br />@Jason: I see your point. I'm still struggling with the words fate/destiny, but really had no other way to explain it... although I have used the phrase, "path to my true Will", and others similar to that. I think that is more in line with what you're saying. I can agree with that. It makes sense to me.<br /><br />Basically, what I was getting at, and I think you are as well, is that we have free will, but stray too far from the course of what is in line with the core of our truest Self, and we're gonna get smacked up side the head until we listen and move back from the detour and back on course. Please correct me if I have your idea wrong, but this has been my experience.Rose Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289493128753395716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-89040352321074564022012-07-10T21:25:00.124-04:002012-07-10T21:25:00.124-04:00That's some seriously deep shit right there, m...That's some seriously deep shit right there, man. I think I'm totally enlightened.<br /><br />Why am I not rich? :DRufus Opushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806987441760167537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-36028474577157219762012-07-10T21:24:12.770-04:002012-07-10T21:24:12.770-04:00@Jason, sometimes my logic astounds even me. :D
I...@Jason, sometimes my logic astounds even me. :D<br /><br />I'll break it down a bit further though, I skipped over some stuff.<br /><br />1) Yes, thinking things are where they're supposed to be can lead to negative behavior, unless you realize you are ultimately the one responsible for things being where they're supposed to be. When you realize that "you" are as much a manifestation of "God" as your "body" is a manifestation of your "not body", there is no one else to blame for shit, no way to justify being evil, doing negative things.<br /><br />2) The "other" entities are also manifestations of God, different parts of him, just like we are. They are no more all-knowing than we are. They just have a different perspective on things.<br /><br />3) We care a lot about the minutia. The celestial brothers and sisters of eternity don't care for them so much. They don't have a frame of reference for it. You said something about how we've both had entities subjectively fuck us over when we asked for help in our businesses. We didn't get what we expected. But we got what would have helped us be more successful in our occult careers than anything else: Total reliance on it for our existence. Nothing motivates you to succeed like no other option.<br /><br />We thought it sucked at the time because we valued the comforts and luxuries more than the opportunity to succeed. They aren't worried about our comfort because our comfort is ultimately meaningless. the minutia they don't care about or even understand aren't that important.<br /><br />The mind/body thing... those are all examples of the mind and body seemingly betraying each other. My mind knows my typing gives the body carpal tunnel. Do I stop, or even bother with mitigating ergonomic adaptations? No. My mind is betraying my body, right?<br /><br />But at the same time, the reason I don't care about the carpal tunnel thing is because we've evolved to believe we're invincible. Chemicals flow that make the self-preservation and health-maintenance aspects of life ingorable.<br /><br />Suicide is the ultimate betrayal of the body by the mind, I think. But the body has to participate for it to be possible. Depression is a chemical issue, not just a mental-spiritual issue. <br /><br />Addictions are the result of the body getting physically addicted to something terrible for it. The mind is also addicted, and fails to stop the body from getting its fix. The mind enjoys the high and lets the body have its addiction. Addictions that are more mental also make the body happy, releasing pleasure chemicals and shit. It's bi-partisan collaboration, body and mind together.<br /><br />Obesity, same thing. It's terrible for the body, but the body loves to eat.<br /><br />All that mind/body stuff is an allegory for the God/Mind thing. Our minds are the extensions of God the same way our bodies are extensions of the mind. We can't do shit without God, and God can't fate shit without us. We're the ones doing it, not some bearded sky daddy. Our FATE is what we do. What we DO is our fate.Rufus Opushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806987441760167537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-56590981882128293192012-07-08T00:05:10.007-04:002012-07-08T00:05:10.007-04:00@RO: I am really trying to follow your logic here,...@RO: I am really trying to follow your logic here, but you are losing me. <br /><br />1. This in no way refutes the idea that thinking everything is everywhere it is "supposed to be" and some part of a Dieties plan cal lead to negative behavior. <br /><br />2. No other shoulders than whose? Your own? That is MY point, but fatalistic thinking suggests otherwise, especially when you get into thinking that celestial beings other than yourself are also all-knowing operators of this plan. <br /><br />3. huh?<br /><br />Also, the mind/body thing. WTF does this have to do with the argument at all ???? :-)<br /><br />I am not the smartest guy in the world, but your response is all over the place. <br /><br />@ Rose. I get what you are saying but rather than see it as fate or destiny, it is more like living in line with your nature. There is a BIG difference. <br /><br />If it is true fate, than everything is progressing along some pre-written plan and you have no real free will at all.<br /><br />If the idea is that there is a pre-written plan but you have the free will to deviate, but deviation will cause problems and suffering, than that leads to all kinds of theologoical issues like who wrote such a shitty plan for life and why.Jason Miller,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03034226672257024583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-21500115891240248282012-07-07T09:02:42.414-04:002012-07-07T09:02:42.414-04:00We DO have free will, no doubt. However, if the ch...We DO have free will, no doubt. However, if the choices we make take us off the path of our destiny (or fate), we'll know. Let the suffering commence.<br /><br />As a magician, you know you're on the path that is best for you, performing your work in the manner best suited for you, when everything flows well. It seems as though everything you touch turns to gold and everything works out the way you intend. You're making choices based upon your free will, but you are also on the path of your soul's destiny (or fate).<br /><br />I used to question destiny and fate, but no more. When I strayed from that path, the red flags popped up. I heard them but did not heed them. I continued, exercising my free will, but the shit storm hit in a major way. That is when I realized it was time to tear everything down. I made that choice, once again exercising my free will, yet knowing I'd most likely lose everything along the way but that may very well be necessary to move me back on the path of my destiny.<br /><br />I've now recovered from all that and I'm back in the flow. While I continue to make choices using my free will, things are flowing incredibly well which signals to me that I've returned to my fated path and all is right in my life once again. There will be glitches, yes. I'll make some free will decisions which may take me a bit off that destined path here and there in the future once again, but I know the signs and signals to assist me with getting back to it more quickly now.<br /><br />This is how I view free will in conjunction with fate. They do work together, in my opinion.Rose Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289493128753395716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-67831376295533462962012-07-07T04:32:11.406-04:002012-07-07T04:32:11.406-04:00So when Hitler make the Holocaust he was doing God...So when Hitler make the Holocaust he was doing God's Work? or he got it wrong and he is learning unconsciously in another life that it was wrong? Or he was an instrument to punish the Jews or all Europe for past sins? <br /><br />I am not saying that you are wrong Opus but it is something very relative, acording to you:<br /><br />You kill, you suffer, you learn suffering sucks and then you stop killing, and what about all the people that get killed because of you? It was part of God's Plan that all that people get kill because one little human need to learn a leason? because one little human do not see that killing was wrong?<br /><br />Maybe all is not God's Will per se, but a cause and an effect, it is a mix between what the Divine wanted to happen and what the humans, because of our causes, produce as an effect. The Cords of Destiny exist, yes, but our actions are the ones that makes the hands of the Moires to move in one direction or another, we are part of the Plan of the Supreme, but we are co-creators, not just puppets, the strings are there, but is up to us moving them to one place or another.Frater G.S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06246949985788077990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-67767737466800853432012-07-06T22:24:43.284-04:002012-07-06T22:24:43.284-04:00Those problems are all delusions and don't hol...Those problems are all delusions and don't hold up under reality. <br /><br />1) You steal money, you suffer, you learn suffering sucks, you stop stealing money, or you suffer more until you do. Sometimes generations of bankers and royals can get away with it, but then comes the Revolution and the guillotine. <br /><br />2) There are no other shoulders. <br /><br />3) That puts the whole importance of the minutia into perspective.<br /><br />Mind/body thing... <br /><br />Mind or body's fault:<br />* Carpal tunnel syndrome? <br />* Suicide? <br />* Addictions? <br />* Obesity?<br /><br />I don't have any easy answers. They all look like "both" to me. Partnership. <br /><br />Can the body betray the mind?Rufus Opushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806987441760167537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-21311932055705472162012-07-06T22:16:39.531-04:002012-07-06T22:16:39.531-04:00The problem with fate thinking is multiple:
1. It...The problem with fate thinking is multiple:<br /><br />1. It can promote crappy behavior: I want to steal money from people, so that must be gods will. <br /><br />2. It transfers responsibility from your shoulders, to the shoulders of agents of Gods will: ie Angels and the HGA. <br /><br />3. It leads one to have all kinds of assumptions about the insight of beings into minutia that they just honestly dont care or have any reference for. <br /><br />There are others, but I am tired. <br /><br />The mind/body thing. Yeah dude, the body betrays the mind only about 99.9999999999% of the time.Jason Miller,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03034226672257024583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-54218914336780357742012-07-06T21:05:33.698-04:002012-07-06T21:05:33.698-04:00Maybeness is another name for Kether.Maybeness is another name for Kether.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com