tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post7583945790057123725..comments2023-10-11T03:48:57.606-04:00Comments on Head For the Red: Waking up from the Goetic SleepRufus Opushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10806987441760167537noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-36824527510709549112010-03-17T18:00:59.586-04:002010-03-17T18:00:59.586-04:00The Lemegeton spirits have been good to me when I&...The Lemegeton spirits have been good to me when I've worked with them intelligently, but when I have not, only the Enochian angels have kicked my ass harder (they also strongly prefer that the protocols be followed). Well, them and Pluto when worked with in astrological magic . . . I still haven't figured out what went wrong there. I can't recall non-Enochian angelic magic ever giving me any problems.<br /><br />When other people have sent Lemegeton spirits to influence me, the sensation was of nausea, vomiting, headache, obsession . . . I don't see an angel doing *that* to someone, unless maybe it was of the nature of Saturn, and even then I've never personally had that kind of trouble.<br /><br />I'm still willing to work with the Lemegeton spirits though, I just don't think portraying them as being similar to angels is accurate.<br /><br />LayoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-12486434754167831092010-03-17T09:49:57.464-04:002010-03-17T09:49:57.464-04:00I think the negativity that surrounds systems like...I think the negativity that surrounds systems like Goetia has to do with the perception that the spirits primarily are concerned with changing circumstance, rather than changing character. This is compounded by the perception that magicians who are <i>overly</i> interested in Goetia seem to be obsessed with obtaining <i>things</i>.<br /><br />To be honest, anyone who's read your blog for a while can see this in action. Is it the fault of the system? I don't know. It's at least half the fault of the magician. It's just easy to gain a perception that there is a correlation between Goetia and thing-obsessed magicians.<br /><br />To be clear, I'm not of the opinion that "real magic" is only used to "be one with God" or any other altruism that are commonly heard on the internet. I'm of the opinion that if there are aspects of our lives that we aren't happy with (and hence go asking spirits to [temporarily] fix for us), it's because there is a flaw in our character that has led to behaviors that have created those circumstances. Nothing will change with any permanency until the character flaw is addressed and corrected on a personal level. <br /><br />The fact that some people choose to ignore the correction of their character, or put it as secondary to "fixing" their circumstances, speaks to the denial that we all can very easily fall into, when supporting a certain philosophy (e.g. Goetia is great) becomes more important than becoming more effective actors in the world.Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-37198121996866543752010-03-17T08:26:47.246-04:002010-03-17T08:26:47.246-04:00Fr. R.O. = Genius. 'Nuff said. Cheers!Fr. R.O. = Genius. 'Nuff said. Cheers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-61321195690757516872010-03-17T02:54:06.800-04:002010-03-17T02:54:06.800-04:00Now we just need a five page paper on how people h...Now we just need a five page paper on how people have vilified the Qliphot and you'll be headed in the right direction! *ducks*Jack Fausthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13693993943756621762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-48734356689900232172010-03-16T13:06:39.992-04:002010-03-16T13:06:39.992-04:00Jason, I was afraid I might have jumped the shark,...Jason, I was afraid I might have jumped the shark, but I had like three drafts of this post written.Rufus Opushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10806987441760167537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-27613128446022508192010-03-16T12:49:03.654-04:002010-03-16T12:49:03.654-04:00"I've been disappointed more with the Ang..."I've been disappointed more with the Angels, but mostly because when I want something badly enough to do magic about it, I want the results like fucking yesterday, man! Not in a couple of weeks."<br /><br />Emergency Magic is bad magic. i will comment once more on Goetia in my blog some point over the next couple days.Jason Miller,https://www.blogger.com/profile/03034226672257024583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25882546.post-23021610109107712422010-03-16T12:30:36.742-04:002010-03-16T12:30:36.742-04:00I had a dream during my most recent Mars involutio...I had a dream during my most recent Mars involution, in which I felt compelled to buy a rather gloomy building with a square, fenced courtyard. The sign afixed to the building was labeled "Goetic Retirement Home" although it wasn't clear whether it was the Spirits who had retired, or the magicians. Also on the sign was a list of men who had entered the building, never to be seen again...<br />Such was my Goetia inspired sleep.Lavanahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295089071497942411noreply@blogger.com