For context here's Gordon's quote that sparked Jason's response:
And Jason's response:
I think that if you hold a “occupy-esque” mind set about the situation: that the wealthy are the bad guys, the poor are the good guys, wealth itself is wrong and should be re-distributed, and that all problems would be solved if everyone decided to live in a Utopian Socialist Collective, that Gordon is correct: Jupiter is probably not the being you want to work with.The fact that life's not fair bothers both Gordon and Jason in ways that I can't quite seem to appreciate. Jove plays favorites, some people are luckier than others at birth than others, and some people are born with disabilities, not just average, but debilitated, and everyone's set to scrabble over stuff we need to survive, and people are totally cheating, keeping more than they need while others are dying as a result.
If however you see a happy and comfortable populace with room for growth and prosperity as being ultimately beneficial even to those at the top – than I think Jupiter is your guy. Greed and Self-interest need not be traits of the wealthy, and very often are not.
In all things, let success be our proof.
There are cheats inherent in the system that you can't control. There are different sets of rules that apply at different levels of society, and that is so appalling to Gordon that he doesn't even think to explain that it is wrong. It's just obvious. the Royals take advantage of the perks they get, and you don't get to participate in that unless it's as a slave.
Jason writes a rational defense of Jupiter, pointing out that, yes, it's not fair to get blessings when other people don't get blessings, but that's ok because Jupiter is at least open to bestowing blessings to whoever makes the offerings, if he feels like it. Because he's the King of the gods, and does what he wants.
But what's weird is that they both are sort of pointing out that there's a game we all play in life, but it's not a fair game, and there are cheats that some people have that they use to get ahead of others. That's the given. Life:
- Unfair rules.
Gordon posts life hacks all the time. His post, if you'll remember, is really a review od some Chaos Magick stuff from Pete Carroll. "Magick," Chaos, Ceremonial, Hermetic, whatever you call it is sort of, you know... hidden secret cheat codes to the game.
Gordon is not opposed to cheats that anyone can use who has access to them. The rich use the access to the cheats they have as they see fit. The magi do likewise.
And Jason... I mean, does anyone think he isn't all about cheating to win?
But why is it cheating to strive to become all that you can be in multiple worlds, to operate at your full potential, to reclaim your inherent divine status? What's so wrong with knowing what you are, who you are, what you can do, and then doing what you want? Is there more to the Great Work than that?
My great~grandfather Genghis Khan was a fucking illiterate barbarian who did amazing things armed with nothing more than a flesh suit and a conscious awareness. So is everyone else. Do what you want, no one can really stop you. That's how you find out what your fate is really all about, by doing what you can and seeing what you get. You're here to get away with as much as you can, as much as you want, however you want.
So fair... It's really all pretty darned fair. Jupiter is an arbitrary force of benevolent luck that impacts some folks who don't ask for it, and others who do. They get wealth, privilege, and prosperity. Jupiter is the force of that greater beneficence.
Who takes bribes.
Of burnt beef fat, from a rib-eye steak grilled medium rare, served with brassica, malbec, and a scotch on the rocks.
Sounds fine to me.
It's still a game with unfair rules that we can cheat. Cheating is a Mercurial manipulation of the forces, through hidden wisdom passed on through that tricksy writing stuff, that can be read and understood in many ways at different times. That's the approach magicians take to things, because we're blessed that way. We find old cheats, new cheats, and use them and project them, ascending through the spheres and returning in power to create the world as we see fit.
And that's really how it works. Jupiter's a part of that, one set of forces that influence things. Even if he doesn't like you, or you don't like him... you've still got a completely wide-open set of alternatives.