1Now on the same occasion there were some present who reported to Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2And Jesus said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate?The people who died in Haiti were no greater (or lesser) "Sinners" than anyone else. God said you're not supposed to look at catastrophe and say it happened because of this sin, or that pact made with STAN, SATIN, or any other member of the SATAN family. When shit happens, you're supposed to repent and turn to God, not blame it on anything, or condemn a nation and imply they had it coming. And to drive the point home, LOGOS says it with a warning.
3"I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
4"Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem?
5"I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish."
6And He began telling this parable: "A man had a fig tree which had been planted in his vineyard; and he came looking for fruit on it and did not find any. 7"And he said to the vineyard-keeper, 'Behold, for three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground?' 8"And he answered and said to him, 'Let it alone, sir, for this year too, until I dig around it and put in fertilizer; 9and if it bears fruit next year, fine; but if not, cut it down.'"
-Luke 13:1-9
He'd been saying shit like that for 3 years, and people weren't listening. The Father was ready to cut them down like a fig tree that didn't give fruit, but his vineyard-keeper (the WORKMAN) said, wait a minute, let's put some bullshit around it and see if it doesn't grow. If it doesn't bear fruit by next year, choppity choppity.
Choppity choppity, man, choppity fucking choppity.
People who are all worried about why God "punished" Haiti or New Orleans had better watch their asses. They're giving themselves a year to bear fruit.
I don't get it while people are so peeved at Pat Robertson, that's just his nature like the frog and the scorpion.
ReplyDeleteIt's not just Pat Robertson.Olen in his blog "Light of the Golden Day" speaks of some Rosicrucian's who hold simular bull shit views. To quote a little of what he had to say.
ReplyDelete"On a Rosicrucian Discussion Forum several members of the Organization A.M.O.R.C., a quasi-Rosicrucian Organization began making some very disparaging remarks concerning the victims of the recent tragedy in Haiti. Now, keep in mnd that hundreds of thousands of people have been killed in Haiti. I would have thought that a "Rosicrucian" would have opened their Heart to the victims of such a tragedy.
However, these Spiritual Giants of A.M.O.R.C. and the T.M.O. immediately began making statements to the effect that the people of Haiti had received the Karmic results of their Spiritual Practices. They also began calling into question those of us that had formed Prayer Circles, and such, across Religious boundaries... let alone discuss monetary aide, or use of political petitions, etc.
However, in the case of the venomous diatribes against Haitians mentioned above... that these people were basically punished for producing "Zombies" is just so pathetic as to be deserving of Olen's "Hall of Shame"!!!
It's a good read and telling of Privileged magicians who have their heads stuck so far up their ass that their enlightened.
I was watching TV when I first heard of the quake and saw the map of the epicenter. When they said that it was a 7.0 I looked at my watch to see what time it was. It was around 6:pm. A shiver ran up my spine and I thought - crap - this is going to be like another tsunami. That time of day everybody was going to be home and inside all of those old un-reinforced concrete buildings.
ReplyDeleteThe next thought I had was that God must have just got lonely for some good company.
I'm pretty sure that's what happened.
As for Pat Robinson, hell, that's just Pat shepherding his flock. Not so much Gods. His.
Frater EH'e
OK. I have to jump in here and point out that what a few people said on an AMORC discussion forum does not represent the official position of AMORC nor of the majority of its members. I am a longtime member, and I entertain no such simplistic notions about karma, and I also know for a fact that the order's teachings about karma are not moralistic. I also KNOW that the vast majority of members I know would never say (or believe) such hateful things about any nation or race.
ReplyDeleteThe teachings of AMORC are also very prayer-positive, and would never doubt the efficacy of groups praying to aid their fellow human beings.
Whoever this "Olen" is, he obviously has an ax to grind, and is not above taking the unofficial remarks of a few individuals (who might not even be members) to slander a whole worldwide organization that undoubtedly has participated in sending metaphysical and physical aid to Haiti, and whose members regard all human beings as their brothers and sisters, no matter what they do.
AMORC does not require its members to BELIEVE anything. It is not a religion. They are only asked to entertain the notion that the teachings contain truth, but if one's own experience proves otherwise, one is free to reject any part of them. Some Rosicrucians even reject the doctrines of reincarnation and karma, but they are still welcome to be members of the order.
You are barking up the wrong tree, Mike.
The discussion is from here:
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The thread title is called "The tragedy that struck Haiti."
I guess my point is that you don't have to be a Christian fundamentalist to blame the Haitians for the event.Their are some Rosicrucians who do the same thing.I'm not referring to A.M.O.R.C. as an organization only to what some members were suggesting was the cause of Haiti's problems.The moderator of that forum eventually put an end to it.Olen blogged about it because he was part of the debate.
Argh. 6:22 am, and all caught up. I have nothing really to say concerning the whole Haiti thing, but just though it worth commenting that I stumbled across this blog about a week ago, and have now rambled, stared and at points skimmed through the posts from the start. Would probably have been easier if I'd read through it all during the day, but eh, fuck that. Good stuff; really tempted to build a spirit pot if nothing else ha hah.
ReplyDeleteThis is all rather strange to me;
ReplyDeleteI mean, New Orleans was "re-organized" by Hurricane Katrina, and all those lovely Loa celebrating Vodouns have to relocate. Then, it is Haiti's turn with a earthquake, and I believe all the lovely people there have to figure out a way to replant their porteau-miteau in a new space. If anything, I see it as an attack on their faith; these people must contend with issues of faith, spirituality vs. the banal, the death and the banal physicality of it all.
and lastly, these mighty death-counts tolls, I cringe if someone is reaping all these thanatosic energies. I hope not.
A prayer for their peace is not too much to ask, if you ask me. And actually we should do more, if we can.
Thanks man great post. Romans 3:23!
ReplyDeleteYo!
ReplyDeleteThis is off topic, but...
...I tried to email you and it bounced, and then I discovered that rufuspous.com is defunct. What gives? If you don't want to answer me here, drop me a line.
Off topic, but I ordered one of Rufus's books, and I find out his domain has expired, no pdf to download. His email is based on the domain, so its expired as well (I presume since I have no reply from him). What happened? (Not to mention my money).
ReplyDeleteRufus apparently knows better, and for that I am grateful, but "blame the victim," where natural disasters are concerned, are unfortunately a fairly natural outgrowth of mainstream Christian theology.
ReplyDeleteIf people want to know where their truly appropriate role model should come from, read the New Testament rather than the old.
Jesus Christ was not a murderer. He did not advocate murder. He did not advocate the genocide of large numbers of people for adhering to a different belief system, and I don't believe he advocated holding the attitude that if people died in natural disasters, they somehow deserved it.
God is LOVE, not judgementalism and a smug, snide, condemnatory superiority complex.
Jai Kali Ma.
http://www.nola.com/religion/index.ssf/2010/02/voodooists_attacked_at_ceremony_for_haiti_earthquake_victims.html
ReplyDeleteAs a followup, this is an example of the result, in practical terms, that this type of attitude among Christians can generate.